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#1 by spiraldarkseraphim on May 8, 2010 - 10:25 am
Militant Islam “works” for millions of people. Evangelical Christianity “works” for millions of people.
What we mean by “works” ? That it helps those people to stay sober?
My sister stays away from crack cocaine partially because she loves animals and houses a large number of them. She doesn’t attend 12 step groups. I know other people who stay stay away from their former drugs of over-use simply by willpower.
#2 by sherwoode7 on May 8, 2010 - 10:27 am
AA IS THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND
#3 by raby760 on May 8, 2010 - 11:22 am
Not promoting which is good. Unfortunately for our society, our government requires that people with DUIs to go to AA and this isn’t the best method for 90% of the people. Therefore, it’s our government which is Christian biased that promotes the AA method. This is not fair and is very unjust. But if you are the 10% that finds that program useful, then the more power to you.
#4 by telethon123 on May 8, 2010 - 11:33 am
codependency
noun
excessive emotional or psychological reliance on a partner, typically a partner who requires support due to an illness or addiction.
I’d say NEEDING someone else for one’s sobriety qualifies as excessive. We should offer support, not foster more dependence.
#5 by quickcap on May 8, 2010 - 12:21 pm
AA began when 2 drunks met and realized they needed eachother to stay sober. It is the enduring spirit of AA. One drunk helping another. We “carry the message” by helping – not by promoting.
#6 by schwacked1 on May 8, 2010 - 1:08 pm
Carrying the message is for helping yourself, the message is how it helped you and whatt you did.
#7 by schwacked1 on May 8, 2010 - 1:34 pm
go to a convention and see the thousands it is working for and just about every person there knows hundreds it has and is working for, thats proof enough. works for me and that’s good enough for me.
#8 by TraitorRick on May 8, 2010 - 1:52 pm
Helping people shouldn’t be confused with recruiting for a particular organization. AA’s teaching that it’s members own “sobriety” is somehow related to “carrying the message” has far more to do with helping AA survive than actually helping anyone to stop drinking.
#9 by pjbergin on May 8, 2010 - 2:33 pm
Because it doesn’t work for millions of people.
#10 by schwacked1 on May 8, 2010 - 2:50 pm
If it works for millions of people why not try and help peole with what worked for them?